Donald Trump Lawyer Jay Sekulow: Distancing President From Don Jr.? | AM Joy | MSNBC


>>> YOU USED THE PHRASE COVERUP LET'S BE REALISTIC HERE

YOU HAD LAWYERS ON YOUR BROADCAST, NBC HAD LAWYERS ON THEIR NETWORK, AND EVERYBODY IS COMING TO THE SAME CONCLUSION REGARDING THE LEGALITY THERE'S NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT THE MEETING, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT COVERING UP BIG WORD TO USE, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING ILLEGAL TO COVER UP >> AT LEAST TWICE IN THE LAST MONTH THE PRESIDENT HAS TURNED TO ONE MAN TO REPRESENT HIM ON THE SUNDAY TALK SHOWS HE CHOSE HIS PERSONAL LAWYER, JAY SEKULOW

IN FACT, JUST THIS MORNING THAT TRUMP NEEDED SEKULOW'S LEGAL SERVICES SO MUCH THAT SEKULOW PULLED OFF A RARE PAUL GINSBERG, NERDY POLITICAL TERM FOR APPEARING ON ALL FIVE SUNDAY TALK SHOWS DID FOUR OF THE FIVE ON JUNE 19th EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU GUYS FERNAND, I WILL HAVE YOU RESPOND THIS IS JAY SEKULOW TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE HIMSELF KNEW ABOUT THE DON JUNIOR MEETING

>> DID YOU ONLY FIND OUT THEN? IS THAT A CONCERN TO YOU YOU TH YOU'RE NOT GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED? >> WE DON'T REPRESENT DONALD TRUMP JR, WE DON'T REPRESENT THE CAMPAIGN, WE REPRESENT THE PRESIDENT IN THAT SENSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION OR CONTROL OF DATA LIKE THAT, PRESIDENT DOESN'T HAVE CONTROL OF DATA LIKE THAT THAT WAS INFORMATION THAT EITHER DONALD TRUMP JR HAD OR THE CAMPAIGN HAD, WHEREVER THE INFORMATION WAS STORED

THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN INFORMATION THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WOULD HAVE HAD >> FERNAND, ARE THEY THROWING DON JUNIOR UNDER THE BUS? >> YOU LISTEN TO THAT COMMENT BY JAY SEKULOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHAT JAY SEKULOW THINKS I CERTAINLY DON'T THEY DON'T CARE WHAT DONALD TRUMP THINKS

THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON IN AMERICA THAT EVERY PATRIOTIC AMERICAN, DEMOCRATIC, REPUBLICAN, INDEPENDENT CARES ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK, THAT PERSON IS SPECIAL COUNSELOR ROBERT MUELLER IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS ANY MORE THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS LOST ALL OF ITS CREDIBILITY LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT MUELLER SAYS THAT'S THE SHERIFF THEY NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT PASSING JUDGMENT

>> ABSOLUTELY CAREEN, AT THE SAME TIME THAT SHERIFF IS TIED TO AN UNDERSHERIFF WHO WAS FIRED, DUKE COLBY HERE IS SEKULOW BLAMING THIS ON COMEY >> THE BASIS UPON WHICH THIS ENTIRE SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATION IS TAKING PLACE IS BASED ON WHAT, ILLEGALLY LEAKED INFORMATION THAT WAS A CONVERSATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WITH THE THEN FBI DIRECTOR, AND THAT TO ME IS PROBLEMATIC FROM THE OUTSET, AND I THINK THAT RAISES VERY SERIOUS LEGAL ISSUES AS TO THE SCOPE AND NATURE OF WHAT CAN REALLY TAKE PLACE >> THIS IS ESSENTIALLY ACCUSING JIM COMEY OF A CRIME

>> IT IS, IT IS UNBELIEVABLE WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE I HOPE JAY SEKULOW GETS PAID, HE HAS A HISTORY OF NOT PAYING FOR ANYTHING THERE'S A STORY ABOUT TRUMP ASKING RNC TO PAY FOR HIS LEGAL ISSUES WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES ON THERE LOOK, WE CANNOT BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE TO SAY WHEN IT COMES TO RUSSIA, THEY HAVE LIED TIME AND TIME AGAIN

SO IT'S JUST A WASTE OF OUR TIME, THIS PR, PUBLIC RELATIONS, IS NOT GOING TO WORK I AGREE WITH WHAT AYMAN SAID THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET US ANYWHERE >> GOING TO GET US ANOTHER SOUND BITE

JAY, FOR YOU, THIS IS SEKULOW TALKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT AND WHAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TAKE A LISTEN >> TELL ME ABOUT THE REPORTS THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS INVOLVED IN THE INITIAL RESPONSE THAT DONALD TRUMP JR GAVE "NEW YORK TIMES" >> SO I READ THOSE REPORTS AS WELL, AND THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT — DID NOT DRAFT THE RESPONSE

THE RESPONSE CAME FROM DONALD TRUMP JR, I'M SURE IN CONSULTATION WITH HIS LAWYER >> WAS HE ASKED TO READ THE STATEMENT BEFORE IT WAS GIVEN TO "NEW YORK TIMES" ON AIR FORCE ONE? >> I CAN'T SAY WHETHER THE PRESIDENT WAS TOLD THE STATEMENT WAS COMING FROM HIS SON ON THAT, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT INVOLVED IN DRAFTING OF THE STATEMENT >> THAT'S CONTRARY TO REPORTING, EJ, AND FEELS LIKE DON JUNIOR IS ON AN ISLAND, LONELY

>> TO USE A PHRASE, DEPENDING WHAT THE MEANING OF THE WORD CRAFT IS WHAT'S CLEAR FROM THE REPORTING IS DONALD TRUMP COOPERATED IN THE PRODUCTION OF THAT STATEMENT WHICH SUGGESTS THAT YET AGAIN HE WAS TRYING TO MISLEAD ABOUT RUSSIA AND I THINK THE BIG PROBLEM IN THE PR ABOUT THIS IS THEY HAVE WHAT ONE CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR CALLED RUSSIAN AMNESIA, THAT EVERY TIME THERE WAS SOME MEETING WITH SOME RUSSIAN, SOMEHOW IT WASN'T REPORTED, WASN'T TALKED ABOUT THEN THEY SAY OH, YEAH, I FORGOT THAT WHY IS THE THING THEY KEEP FOR GETTING ABOUT RUSSIA

AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SUCH SKEPTICISM >> I FEEL LIKE OPRAH, YOU GET A SOUND BITE, NOW MICHELLE BERNARD, HERE COMES THE EMERGING UKRAINIAN DEFENSE WHICH IS BUBBLING UP FROM A LOT OF REPUBLICANS HERE IT IS >> OPPOSITION RESEARCH, IF IT WOULD HAVE MATERIALIZED IS NOT A THING OF VALUE NEVER BEEN A CASE THAT SAID OPPOSITION RESEARCH IS A THING OF VALUE

I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO CONFLAT THE EXACT TRANSACTION WHICH WAS NOT SOLICITATION BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, IT WAS OFFER OF OPPOSITION RESEARCH COMPARE THAT TO WHAT TOOK PLACE WITH UKRAINIANS AND DNC WHERE THEY WERE WORKING IN COLLUSION WITH EACH OTHER >> NOW IT IS THE UKRAINIANS AGAIN WHAT'S HAPPENING? >> IT IS ALWAYS PRESIDENT OBAMA, HILLARY CLINTON, OR THE UKRAINIANS

>> OR THE MEDIA >> OR THE FAKE NEWS THE FAULT NEVER FALLS WITHIN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENGAGED AT THE VERY BEST, JUST COMPLETE MORAL TERP TUD THEY'RE GIVING A NEW DEFINITION TO TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS, DRIP DRIP DRIP, A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION EVERY DAY, TEARS AWAY AT THE DEMOCRACY AND TEARS AWAY AT THE ECONOMY >> ONE OTHER PROBLEM THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, WE NOW HAVE REPORTING FROM HUFFINGTON POST THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN PAID $50,000 TO DON JUNIOR'S CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER 11 DAYS BEFORE THE "NEW YORK TIMES" STORY BROKE, SO THEY HAD SOME CONSCIOUSNESS THAT HE HAD SOME LEGAL PROBLEMS

HARD TO SAY WE DON'T TALK TO DON JUNIOR, HE DOES HIS OWN THING >> NOT ONLY THAT, THE CHATTER WITHIN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY BY THE WAY, INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, ALL AGENCIES OF THE US GOVERNMENT SAY RUSSIA WAS INVOLVED AND THERE'S EVIDENCE OF TRUMP COLLUSION, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF ANOTHER SHOE DROPS BAD ENOUGH THIS MEETING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS TIP OF THE ICEBERG

WHAT HAPPENS IF SIGNAL INTERCEPTS COME OUT WITH AUDIO CONVERSATIONS, ARE THEY GOING TO SAY THEY'RE DOCTORED AT THAT POINT? JAY SEKULOW, A LAWYER LYING ON BEHALF OF A PRESIDENT WHO LIES WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THOSE COMMENTS SERIOUSLY WHAT WE HAVE TO TAKE SERIOUSLY IS EVIDENCE COMING OUT IN THE MEDIA THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO AWAIT WHAT THE ACTIONS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION ARE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GET WORSE >> DOES SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE STATE THAT THEY'RE IN, THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO SEND OUT SEBASTIAN GORK AND SUBJECT IN THE GUARDIAN THAT HIS FIRM WAS STEAL MILLIONS, THIS FIRM RAISING MONEY OFF THE RELIGIOUS, HAVING THEM GIVE TO HIS ORGANIZATIONS AND IT WAS GOING TO HIS FAMILY, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE LEFT TO SEND OUT

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, TRUMP DEALS WITH SHADY CHARACTERS WE SAW IT WHEN HE WAS CEO OF HIS ORGANIZATION AND NOW AS PRESIDENT UNFORTUNATELY IT IS GOING TO HURT US AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, LET'S NOT FORGET A WEEK AGO WITH A WHITE HOUSE STATEMENT THAT WAS BASICALLY A LIE >> WHICH ONE? >> THE ONE OF DON JUNIOR

IT WAS AN OUTRIGHT LIE AND IT WAS A COVER UP YOU HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE BEING INVOLVED IN A COVER UP >> REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE THE BACKBONE YET TO STAND UP TO TRUMP I AM TALKING ABOUT SAYING CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT FOOLISH ENOUGH IT SEEMS TO GO OUT AND DEFEND ALL THIS STUFF, SO TRUMP HAS TO RELY ENTIRELY ON THE INNER CIRCLE, PRAY THE REPUBLICANS CONTINUE NOT TO CRITICIZE HIM, BUT IT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW BAD SOME OF THIS STUFF IS >> MEANWHILE, CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT ON SUNDAY SHOWS IS ONE MIKE PENCE, SEEMS TO BE TRYING TO QUARANTINE HIMSELF INSIDE A BUBBLE EVEN THOUGH HE HAS EXPOSURE TOO

>> HE DOES HIS SPOKESPERSON WAS ASKED ON FOX NEWS EARLIER THIS WEEK SEVERAL TIMES POINTEDLY, HAS THE VICE PRESIDENT EVER HAD MEETINGS WITH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OR RUSSIAN OFFICIALS AND WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO REFUSE TO TO ANSW THE QUESTION >> NO ONE CAN REMEMBER ANYTHING WE DON'T REMEMBER RUSSIANS OR MEETINGS THANK YOU

LOVED THIS PANEL >>> COMING UP, A LOOK AT DONALD TRUMP'S LONG-STANDING TIES TO BUSINESSES, WHERE? SAY IT TOGETHER, R

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