Ex Watergate lawyer Russia probe heading right toward Trump MSNBC


DOING AND WHATEVER THOSE PEOPLE DID THAT'S ON THEM JOINING US NOW, EJ DION FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST" AND POLITICAL ANALYST, CO-AUTHOR OF ONE NATION AFTER TRUMP

ALSO WITH US, DANIEL DALE, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT FOR TORONTO STAR AN HERE IN NEW YORK, NICK ACKERMAN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND ASSISTANT SPECIAL WATERGATE PROSECUTOR, A MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR NICK, THERE'S THE PRESIDENT SAYING, I'M NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION AND, OF COURSE, BELIEVE ME BUT, I SEE HIS CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN INDICTED I SEE A MID LEVEL STAFFER WHO'S THERE IN PICTURES WITH DONALD TRUMP INDICTED

AND SELF CONVICTED WITH A GUILTY PLEA IS IT CONCEIVABLE — LOOK, THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR IS DOING ALL OF THIS AND JUST NOT LOOKING ACROSS THAT LINE TO DONALD TRUMP? >> OH, I THINK IT'S INCONCEIVABLE I THINK THIS WHOLE THING IS HEADING DIRECTLY TOWARDS DONALD TRUMP I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TWO SHOTS OVER THE BOW HERE ONE, YOU'VE GOT DID CAMPAIGN MANAGER AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT INDICTMENT SCREAMS OUT RUSSIA, CONNECTION TO RUSSIA, CONNECTION TO ALL OF THE VARIOUS PEOPLE AROUND PUTIN

AND THEN, YOU'VE GOT PAPADOPOULOS WHO IS ALL PART OF THE COLLUSION IT FITS IN WITH WHAT HAPPENED JUNE 9th AT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING AND THIS IS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG THIS IS HOW A NORMAL INVESTIGATION STARTS PAPADOPOULOS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO COME IN AND SING LIKE A CANARY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A WHOLE SERIES OF OTHER PEOPLE, PEOPLE'S NAMES THAT ARE NOT HOUSEHOLD NAMES

NAME THAT IS WE DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD IN THE COURSE OF THIS PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE INDICTED ADDITIONALLY TO THE FIRST ONE WITH MANAFORT AND HIS SIDEKICK YOU WILL SEE A SERIES OF INDICTMENTS AND A WHOLE SERIES OF OTHER PEOPLE THROWING IN THE TOWEL AND TELLING THE TRUTH AS TO WHAT HAPPENED >> AND, EJ, WE ARE SEEING STORIES CHANGE ALONG THE WAY OVER THE WEEKS AND THE MONTHS

CARTER PAGE'S STORY KIND OF CHANGES DRAMATICALLY TONIGHT IN THIS NEW REPORT AND THE PRESIDENT LASHING OUT AND LASHING OUT AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT USUALLY IF WE FOLLOW HIS PATTERN OF LASHING OUT IN THE PAST, THAT USUALLY MEANS THERE'S SOMETHING HE'S WORRIED ABOUT >> RIGHT I THINK THERE ARE TWO SCIENTIFIC RULES IN THIS INQUIRY RULE ONE IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID

WHENEVER HE'S ATTACKING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HE'S IN A LOT OF TROUBLE AND SCIENTIFIC RULE TWO IS, YOU CAN DETERMINE THE DEPTH OF THAT TROUBLE BY HOW OFTEN HE SAYS THE WORDS HILLARY CLINTON AND WE HAVE HAD A CASCADE OF ATTACKS ON HILLARY CLINTON OVER THE LAST WEEK AND IT IS A CLASSIC TRUMP TECHNIQUE WHICH IS HE DOESN'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO WIN ON HIS OWN HE WINS

HE CAN ONLY WIN BY ATTACKING SOME ADVERSARY HE CAN LIVE WITHOUT FRIENDS BUT NOT WITHOUT ENEMIES AND I AGREE THAT THIS INVESTIGATION IS MOVING IN A WAY THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE ROBERT MUELLER'S RUNNING THIS LIKE A MOB INVESTIGATION WHICH IS APPROPRIATE WHERE MONEY AND POWER ARE CONCERNED AND HE IS REALLY LOOKING INTO THE MONEY INVOLVED IN THE TRUMP EMPIRE AND THAT'S I THINK WHAT TRUMP IS MOST AFRAID OF AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS — PART OF WHERE THIS INVESTIGATION IS GOING TO END UP

>> LET'S LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT THIS MORNING WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS MEMORY OF THAT MEETING WITH GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS >> MR PRESIDENT, DO YOU REMEMBER GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS DURING THAT MARCH MEETING? FLOATING THE IDEA OF MEETING WITH PUTIN? >> I DON'T REMEMBER MUCH ABOUT THAT MEETING IT WAS A VERY UNIMPORTANT MEETING DON'T REMEMBER MUCH ABOUT IT

>> DANIEL DALE, HE IS IN A BIND HAVING CLAIMED TO HAVE A PERFECT MEMORY AND WHY HIS VERSION OF THE PHONE CALL, CONDOLENCE PHONE CALL TO SERGEANT LA DAVID JOHNSON'S WIDOW IS ACCURATE AND HER MEMORY IS INACCURATE HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT MEMORY TODAY BUT IN A PHOTOGRAPH WITH PAPADOPOULOS IN THAT MEETING SO HE COULDN'T COMPLETELY DENY KNOWLEDGE OF IT >> HE COULDN'T I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL SAY WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO SAY TO GET OUT OF A JAM IN THAT GIVEN MOMENT NO MATTER WHAT HE HAS SAID TEN MINUTES PRIOR OR A DAY PRIOR OR WHAT HE'LL SAY TEN MINUTES IN THE FUTURE

WE HAVE AN AMAZING MOMENT IN THE LATEST SBR VIEW ON FOX DECRIED THE FALSE REPORTING THAT HE'S BEEN ANGRY ABOUT THINGS THAT WAS HIS QUOTE IT'S FALSE I'VE BEEN ANGRY ABOUT THINGS LITERALLY UNDER TEN SECOND LATER HE SAID I HAVE A CERTAIN ANGER ABOUT THE MEDIA SO HE DOESN'T — HE LIVES HIS LIFE AND MAKES PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND DOESN'T SHOW HE'S GIVEN THEM A LOT OF THOUGHT AN THINK OF HIM AS A STRATEGIST ATTACKING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE THINK THAT HE'S PLAYING A SORT OF CHESS OF AN INSTITUTION THAT CHALLENGES HIM AND I THINK IT'S PURE IMPULSE SCRAMBLING WITHOUT THINKING OF WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE ON HIM IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS TO COME

>> NICK, WE HAVE A REPORT TONIGHT OF "THE WASHINGTON POST" THAT KEITH SHILLER WILL SPEAK TO HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATORS AND LONG TIME TRUMP BODYGUARD AND PREDATES THE CAMPAIGN BY MANY, MANY YEARS THEY INTEND TO ASK HIM ABOUT SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS IN THE RUSSIAN DOSSIER AND ASK HIM ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S PERSONAL BEHAVIOR IN MOSCOW IN 2013 AND IT SEEM THAT IS THAT WOULD BE TERRITORY THAT THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR WOULD WANT TO GO OVER WITH KEITH SHILLER, ALSO AND KEITH SHILLER KNOWS MORE ABOUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE IN THE LAST 15 YEARS OR SO THAN ANYONE ALIVE INCLUDING PROBABLY ANYONE WHO'S EVER BEEN MARRIED TO DONALD TRUMP >> I TOTALLY AGREE

THIS IS, AGAIN, THE SAME ANALOGY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE MOB INVESTIGATION I MEAN, IF I WERE LOOKING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE BOSS WAS DOING, WHO THE BOSS WAS SLEEPING WITH, WHERE THE BOSS WAS, I'D GO FOR A CHAUFFEUR, GO FOR THE BODYGUARD THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING >> FEDERAL PROSECUTORS TURNED GUYS LIKE THAT SPECIFICALLY IN MOB CASES LIKE THAT >> I USED TO DO IT

I HAD A SERIES OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM YOU GO FOR THE PEOPLE KNOWING THE MOST, CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE PERSON, WITH THEM EVERY DAY, JOKE WITH THEM, TALK ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, WHETHER OR NOT HE TELLS THE TRUTH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY >> WE

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